Posted by: secretperson | April 7, 2008

Is Anti-English Horse Attack Fake?

Now I am not accusing anyone of foul play, but I found a couple of comments on my previous post on a supposed anti-English attack on a horse, with Welsh grafitti saying “English Out”.

Two comments, both independent as I moderated at the same time, say that “Cai Maes Sais”, the slogan, is not real Welsh. Both commentators point out that it is the translation of ‘get out Englishman’ on a “notoriously awful translation site” which is also the first google hit (my work) for “Welsh English translator”.

Many thanks for your comments, Betsan and Griff.

Now if you wanted to fake an attack, and find some Welsh, I think that’d be my route, googling for a translation site. This has been picked up by icWales.co.uk forums and people there seem to think it was not from a Welsh speaker.

In the story, the reason given for the Cardiff born woman being mistaken for English was that this was a Welsh speaking area. Which makes a mistake even more unlikely. She is quoted as saying “I’m not a Welsh speaker, but some of the older generation around here say it’s really old Welsh for ’English Out’”.

Really old Welsh, or a cheap and easily available internat translator. I think the police have some work to do here, before jumping to the conclusion this was done by really old Welsh nationalists. I’ll try and keep you informed…

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  1. There are a few Welsh speakers at work, being so close to the border. I’ll try and find out today.

    That said … CAI: Welsh form of Roman Gaius, meaning “rejoice.”

  2. The dictionary does say that Cai means rejoice, but it’s a word strictly kept in dictionary pages, I’ve never heard it used.

    Even if it did mean Rejoice it wouldn’t make sense, the phrase would then say “Rejoice Field Englishman”!

  3. The fact it doesn’t make sense doesn’t mean it wasn’t a Welsh racist. I don’t speak Anglo Saxon but I’m an English nationalist.

  4. What? Sorry, your post doesn’t make sense.

    If they were not Welsh speakers they would be Engish speakers. Why would an English-only speaking Welshman, anti-english racist or not, automatically assume that another English-only speaking person was not Welsh?

    By the way, I’ve just checked, Cai is not a word meaning Gaius – it is a person’s name derrived from the roman word Gaius – just like the name “Helen” is derrived from the greek for light, it doesn’t mean the word Helen means light in English.

  5. Griff, you’re assuming that the people who did it are from that area, that she has a Welsh accent (Cardiff isn’t exactly in deepest Wales) and that they can tell the difference between an English and Cardiff accent.

    I live in Shropshire near the Welsh border. Someone from south east Shropshire would most likely believe someone from north west Shropshire was Welsh because there is a definite Welsh twang to the accent. And the Cardiff accent is quite anglicised is it not?

    The perpetrators might not even know the woman and had just been told she was English.

    Ask yourself who else in Wales would attack a defenceless animal and spray what they believe is anti-English Welsh abuse on a wall if it’s not Welsh nationalists. You surely don’t believe the theory put about by one Welsh nationalist that it’s “ultra right wing English nationalists”?

  6. “Ask yourself who else in Wales would attack a defenceless animal and spray what they believe is anti-English Welsh abuse on a wall if it’s not Welsh nationalists.”

    Ah those that well known Horse slashing wing of Meibion Glyndwr. I think you’re on to something Wonko.

    “You surely don’t believe the theory put about by one Welsh nationalist that it’s “ultra right wing English nationalists”?”

    As if that’s the only theory. What you have there is logical fallacy.

  7. So we have established the vandals were not Welsh speakers which leaves a number of possibilities.

    1. They were non-Welsh speaking Welsh ‘nationalist’ racists, in a Welsh speaking area, attacking a non-Welsh speaking family under the assumption they were English.

    2. It is some kind of insurance scam or attempt to remove the blame for injuring the horse by the supposed victims.

    3. It is some kind of attempt to discredit Welsh nationalists, for some reason.

    4. Prince Philip did it, helped by MI6, MI5, the CIA, Mossad, Frensh Security Service, the Vets who treated the horse, the BBC and anyone else who doubts this story.

  8. It was Prince Philip, deffo

  9. I suspect the Prince too – who else could it have been!

    oh, and option 5

    5. It was done by someone with a personal grudge/dispuite with the owners who painted the slogan to cast suspicion elsewhere

    Oh and wonko – a Cardiff accent is VERY strong, believe me it’s hard to mistake it for English!

  10. Of course the welshies did it. You know what theyre like. You know how petty they are. You know how vindictive and childish they are!

    The tyrants were non-Welsh speaking Welsh ‘nationalist’ racists, in a Welsh speaking area, attacking a non-Welsh speaking family under the assumption they were English.

    Of course it wasnt them. It was Lord Lucan. No, it was Elvis! Funny that, seeing as the boyos claim that HE WAS WELSH!

  11. “Of course the welshies did it. You know what theyre like. You know how petty they are. You know how vindictive and childish they are!

    The tyrants were non-Welsh speaking Welsh ‘nationalist’ racists, in a Welsh speaking area, attacking a non-Welsh speaking family under the assumption they were English.

    Of course it wasnt them. It was Lord Lucan. No, it was Elvis! Funny that, seeing as the boyos claim that HE WAS WELSH!”

    The word ‘idiot’ doesn’t quite do jjustice to cujimmy’s post does it?

    The guilty probably were Welsh, however the anti-English sentiment is questionable. If you have to use a Welsh/English internet translator you’re hardly a hardcore Welsh Nationalist. Even English speaking Welshmen know how to write ‘English Out’ in Welsh along with other profanities. The fact that the ‘Welsh’ was gibberish, the graffiti was rather smartly written, the fact that the terrified and nervy horse seemed happy to pose with the owner in front of the media all suggests something stinks.

    Insurance job? Business grudge? Owner covering up her own abuse of the animal?

    It’s all speculation. But one thing’s for certain, the media were wrong to paint it as an anti-English attack and they failed to verify what was written. This is what we’ve come to expect.

  12. ‘It’s all speculation. But one thing’s for certain, the media were wrong to paint it as an anti-English attack and they failed to verify what was written. This is what we’ve come to expect.”

    Yeah yeah how could it possibly be true. Oh surely it wasnt the oh so loverly welsh, renowned as they are for their, er-hem, friendliness towards the English.
    What are those oh so popular songs in wales called again? Something like, it dont matter as long as we beat the English? Tell me, is their an equivalent song in England? No!
    Do English people burn welsh people’s cottages in England? No!
    Get a grip! You are not talking reality.

    “The word ‘idiot’ doesn’t quite do justice to cujimmy’s post does it?”

    So what if I wrote a smartarse post? If that’s all it takes to get you going then more fool you.

    “The guilty probably were Welsh”

    Why are you moaning then? Stop playing the perpetual victim.
    Oh well, this is what I have come to expect.


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